I'm liking this developing discussion with James Griffioen, the father who CNN decided would represent all parents pissed at Spike Jonez's, David Eggar's Where the Wild Things Are. So, I'm promoting his comment and responding within a post. Maybe we can broaden and develop this talk a little bit. We're on to myth and fantasy.
James wrote:
it's always easy to call individuals names on the internet, and I was never actually "offended"; the guy 4,000 people were calling an idiot on the CNN site wasn't me, just a name CNN attached to some comments cobbled together in a way to make the whole issue seem more controversial. I felt no ownership over any of it other than the idea that this book is for kids and the movie should appeal to them too.
I've seen your attitude displayed on several other sites: "WTWTA (the book) is not for children, it's just a book for adults with a few words per page, and some pages that only have pictures." (?) I can only assume that no one saying this actually has children. Try telling my son, who drags that book over to me 10 times a day begging for "wilds" that the book is not for him. you might, but I have this absurd desire to make my kids happy. Crazy, I know.
I think what got lost in CNN's reporting is a subtle distinction. Sendak was telling parents to go to hell if they thought the film was too scary. I am saying the film fails because it's not scary enough: it was watered down by studio execs WHO WANTED TO MAKE SURE KIDS WOULDN'T BE SCARED. the end result is a beautiful, boring film. and frankly, really young kids are not hard to entertain. they will put up with a lot of boring stuff if scenes designed to capture their wonder and imagination come with it. this movie failed to capture the easiest audience: my daughter, who has gone with me to three charlie chaplin films and two buster keaton marathons at the art theater and sat entranced without complaining. she's never seen anything by pixar. she doesn't watch television. she WANTED to like this movie. but it was just too confusing and dull.
as for the lack of myth, perhaps I didn't explain myself well. I am a former classicist, and I am a strong believer in the use of myth to teach moral lessons and as a tool for development. all that joseph campbell stuff (star wars succeeds not just because of the cool costumes and the hackneyed dialogue, but because the story resonates with us on a level we don't even really understand). kids love the wild thing book because every element of the story, from the illustrations to certain words chosen by Sendak, resonate with them. As they get older, the story takes on even more meaning. And when we are adults, we see Max is the ultimate child archetype. He reminds us that we used to be wild and that we learned to be tame and that's probably a good thing; most of all Max returns to where we'd all like to return, a warm bedroom
"where someone loves us best of all" and where there are good things to eat. does it get any more primal than that? the book is genius as myth (and art) because it operates on all these levels and appeals to so many age groups.
The movie fails as myth. it does not capture the imagination. the fundamental themes of the book are absent or tangled in the psycho-babble brier patch. it is sickeningly hamfisted in its psychological portrayal of Max. this Max is designed solely to appeal to adults with injured children inside them, or (on a superficial level) people nostalgic for the book they had read to them as children. The former will find it speaks to them, the latter will find it a corruption of the fundamental story that spoke to them as kids.
trust me man, we didn't show up at the 10:30 a.m. show on the Friday it opened because we wanted this film to fail. we were sure the people involved were going to get it right, and that's why we were so disappointed when they got it so horribly wrong.
First, you video-taped your kid, published his likeness on the Internet, and made him a case-study. Your children and their reactions to
Where the Wild Things Are are not exactly the only reason why people are calling you an idiot. Let's be fair. But I have said that it's apparent you aren't an idiot.
However, you
are responsible for the creation of "the guy 4,000 people were calling an idiot on the Internet."
Now onto the more interesting issue:
I'm surprised you call yourself a classicist yet simply refer to it as "all that Joseph Campbell stuff." But not too surprised, I guess; after all you say you use it, myth, to teach moral lessons. I haven't met a classicist even amateur department classicist in the English Depts and Philosophy Dept where I have lectured who would do that. I don't find Campbell useful at all; to be honest, I'm wary of his work and its application. I'm sure some of my readers disagree, and I welcome the difference.
Well, I'd say he created his own myth of myth in order to teach moral lessons. And I don't like that. He's very convincing. But, you know, I'm no fan of the archetype-view of narrative. That's a kind of structuralism that offers a world-view that is most accessible and useful to the most powerful, good or evil tho they may be.
I find your use of two words engaging. Can you define what you mean by "resonate" and by "the imagination" before I write about what you've said? What is it to have something resonate? How does that process come to be? Is it a revelation? Is it a form of energy? Is it a form of reflection? Is it a knee-jerk reaction? (I tease, but you accused me of knee-jerking my initial response to your statements about the film and well I'm telling it's not a knee-jerk.) Is it gas?
Resonate is one of those abused words that people use to address a matter worth talking about because it's supposed to illustrate its own process. It sounds like it does a lot of critical work on its own, it sounds meaningful, but it really simply sits there standing in place of a lot of ideas and it's those ideas I'm most interested in. (Technical shorthand: the word resonates points to the meta- without actually doing the work of digging in and thinking about the meta-.)
In addition, I'm sure you're aware that your interpretation of
Where the Wild Things Are is just generic enough for most people to find something in it to agree with. Another thing Joseph Campbell and his disciples are good at doing. It may have no substance. I don't mean this in a snarky way at all. In fact, I'll give you an example of what I mean.
You write:
Max returns to where we'd all like to return, a warm bedroom
"where someone loves us best of all" and where there are good things to eat. does it get any more primal than that? the book is genius as myth (and art) because it operates on all these levels and appeals to so many age groups.
My emphasis shows your critique, which I insist is nothing more than a "hey, you all isn't it cool that so many of us find this cool" statement--a recognition of similarity but nothing approaching a critical address of its subject. Your critique sounds meaningful, but so much is assumed that I'm not willing to accept without some discussion first.
Significantly, I disagree that I want to return to that bed and that it represents something primal about me. (Whatever primal is supposed to mean here.) I think I had parents who would hope but sometimes doubted that I was a kid who wanted to find that bed warm, who wanted to be satisfied with where I was with them. But we know for a fact that "the bed," your example of primacy that is as a matter of fact
not a primal image but a highly and socially constructed concept, "the bed" while it may be warm is not always where the child wants to return to but often
must return to and is forced to find warm in need of warmth, at a loss for articulating the subtle alienation he or she feels from the obligations his parents insist are attended to. I'll agree with an implication: we all want to find warmth sometimes and somewhere and often that place is a place we find in return. As in when I return somewhere there is usually a purpose and if that purpose is achieved, I might find it warm. But I'm not prepared to call this a journey with a capital J and compare it to a quest for a grail and tie it all in nice and tidily to every western tradition since, say, Ovid.
So I'd argue
it's not myth, it's fantasy. That's a start.
And really, I don't think you want the film to fail, but I do need to understand what you have to say about this at all that goes beyond the video, the bored kids, the fans not happy with an adaptation of a loved work, and a shitty CNN article.
It's been years since I read Campbell as an undergraduate student in introductory literary analysis classes. I watched the Moyers' specials, of course, but I read what I wanted to of Campbell sometime before 93 and after 90. Look, I was born in 1970. I was raised on Joseph Campbell to some extent. And for me, he is a pop icon as much as he is a classicist. A celebrity scholar. I can't pull quotes, but I can handle a serious discussion about The Imagination and Myth. I can tell you I've always been skeptical of Campbell's worth to a study in Classics.
My suggestion is that you're not considering the social construction that quite forcefully because of the book's popularity insists how we should read Max and his monsters. In fact, I think you accept that construct quite willfully and uncritically, which is how I see people treat Joseph Campbell, too, btw.
Off to teach: I write these posts between my classes, so you know I beg your patience. And I'm rusty. Please stay in touch. Let's continue thinking about this.